<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Relational Riffs]]></title><description><![CDATA[A newsletter that riffs on the science and practice of relationships. We tackle (and sometimes tickle) the complexities of relationships between people and between life roles.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W8fA!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F62f7d6e0-e605-4ae3-b7df-eee5aa7a1b70_1063x1063.png</url><title>Relational Riffs</title><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2026 17:10:33 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[relationalriffs@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[relationalriffs@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[relationalriffs@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[relationalriffs@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[Can You Love Them More Than Their Brain Drives You Crazy?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Because sometimes we want a hug but receive a spreadsheet instead.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/can-you-love-them-more-than-their</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/can-you-love-them-more-than-their</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2026 10:31:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/510ae705-2c47-4ce3-8138-71927ea1bd3e_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back from a family reunion, which is to say I spent several days with the people who share the most DNA with me on Earth. I needed subtitles, and I don&#8217;t mean metaphorically. </p><p>My extended family spans Israel, Canada, and three distinct regions of America. So when we get together, we bump into the fact that some of us speak English well and Hebrew barely at all while others operate in the reverse. Even those of us who do share a common language have different accents (Canadian &#8220;sorries&#8221; never fail to make me smile<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a>), different senses of humor, different definitions of &#8220;on time,&#8221;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> and different rules about what counts as an argument versus a lively conversation. Same gene pool, but it&#8217;s a total Tower of Babel situation. </p><p>And yet, despite the challenges of connecting with people I hadn&#8217;t seen in decades, some of whom don&#8217;t share my native language, I felt so profoundly connected and nearly giddy with love and belonging. That remained true although nobody got more punctual.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> Nobody adopted my definition of a reasonable volume and kindness when debating. The love outweighed the friction that sometimes emerges from stark differences.</p><p>Part of why, I think, is that nobody at this once-in-a-lifetime reunion expected sameness. When your cousin barely speaks your language, you translate without taking it personally. The trouble starts when someone shares your language, your home, and your bed, and you assume the translating isn&#8217;t necessary. But some translation, it turns out, is always necessary.</p><p>Which raises the question germane to today&#8217;s newsletter: <strong>Can we love the people closest to us more than their different brains drive us crazy?</strong></p><h3>Multiple brains, one relationship</h3><p>A couple sits in a therapist&#8217;s office. The wife is changing jobs and feels completely unsupported by her partner. The husband is dumbfounded. He researched openings for her. He offered to move. He built her a pros and cons <em>spreadsheet</em>.</p><p>She wanted him to ask how she was feeling. He gave her color-coded cells.</p><p>These two people come into the relationship with different hardware, each one hoping that the other&#8217;s can sync up with their own.</p><p>That example comes from my conversation with Dr. Cindy Ariel, a psychologist who has spent over thirty years working with neurodiverse couples, where one partner is autistic and one is not. Her new book is <em><a href="https://www.guilford.com/books/Autism-and-the-Two-of-Us/Cindy-Ariel/9781462560189">Autism and the Two of Us</a></em>, and our conversation drops tomorrow on the <em><a href="https://offtheclockpsych.com/">Psychologists Off the Clock</a> </em>podcast.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cRT8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b323c58-96fb-4a04-a43f-d13779ded6f5_504x720.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!cRT8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b323c58-96fb-4a04-a43f-d13779ded6f5_504x720.jpeg 424w, 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But the stance that worked at my reunion of expecting difference instead of assuming sameness is exactly the stance Cindy has spent three decades teaching couples whose brains are wired differently. </p><p>That stance is useful to all of us, because in a very real sense, every close relationship is neurodiverse. That is, you did not partner with yourself (probably for the best), which means you partnered with a brain that filters, prioritizes, and makes meaning differently than yours does. Sometimes that's a little differently. Sometimes it's spreadsheet-not-hug differently.</p><p>Research on a bias called <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103110002118?casa_token=Qmg-zad1OMoAAAAA:Oq2bHjiJeEzQNR6oZZWL_IPkjCBJew_7d6CPl-CRa9j18lbe5vnwAZ5ISwikCT-AH-3lBnAnYw">closeness communication bias</a> shows that we assume the people closest to us define words and interpret situations the way we do, more than they actually do. Ironically, we question our assumptions about our accuracy more with strangers than with people we love. With a partner or other close person, we simply assume we think the same. And so the gap between brains gets read as intent: he doesn&#8217;t care, she&#8217;s doing this on purpose.</p><p>Cindy&#8217;s reframe: recognizing that we have different brains helps us also recognize that difference, not malice, drives dissimilar responses and interpretations. It&#8217;s two brains moving through the world, marching to their own unique beats. </p><p>When you can see the difference as wiring, developmental, or cultural rather than a verdict on how much you&#8217;re loved, the resentment can shrink. You can begin to see the spreadsheet less as &#8220;they don&#8217;t care&#8221; and more as &#8220;this seems to be what caring looks like in their brain.&#8221; </p><p>Once you&#8217;re reading wiring instead of intent, collaboration options open up. One couple in Cindy&#8217;s practice replaced the card-dinner-roses Valentine&#8217;s script with picking out flowers together at the Sunday market, whenever that fell. Though it may not be the culturally approved version of romance, it was completely satisfying to both of them. As Cindy&#8217;s book explains: </p><blockquote><p>The typical ways of loving must be redefined for success in a neurodiverse partnership.</p></blockquote><p>And perhaps defining success must be done in every one of our partnerships because the &#8220;typical definition&#8221; was designed for a generic couple that does not actually exist.</p><h3>But sometimes, differences are intolerable</h3><p>Sometimes, though, the answer to the question of whether you can love someone more than you detest their quirks is &#8216;no.&#8217; Cindy is direct about this: two lovable people sometimes don&#8217;t work together, not because either of them is fatally flawed, but because the friction that arises from the differences is too significant. Naming it kindly beats spending a decade trying to bang each other into different shapes.</p><p>In the episode, we also covered the red flags that mean a relationship has crossed from difficult into unhealthy (they have nothing to do with neurodiversity), what the research actually says about autistic adults and intimacy, and why couples therapy works better than most people think. <strong>The episode comes out tomorrow, wherever you get your podcasts.</strong> Come for the science, stay for two couples therapists geeking out in their natural habitat.</p><h3>&#128218; Book giveaway for paid subscribers</h3><p><em>Not yet a paid subscriber? 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Trouble with Rebuilding Trust]]></title><description><![CDATA[Sometimes, we aren't rebuilding the same thing.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-trouble-with-rebuilding-trust</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-trouble-with-rebuilding-trust</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 09:30:40 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/edf0fb24-8935-4b8f-ba23-1edaeeefac78_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <em><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/How-to-Stay-Married/Harrison-Scott-Key/9781668015506">How to Stay Married</a>, </em>author <a href="https://www.harrisonscottkey.com/">Harrison Scott Key</a> describes discovering one unassuming autumn day that his wife, the mother of their three daughters, is having an affair with someone he gives the pseudonym &#8220;Chad&#8221; (and apologizes to all the Chads he has thereby insulted). Harrison doesn&#8217;t just describe Chad as a guy who &#8220;wears cargo shorts, on purpose.&#8221; He and Lauren (the wife) together describe what caused the marriage to fall apart and what it took to glue it back together.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ifwb!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F572cecb5-2bac-442a-b085-36bd49aac20b_516x796.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ifwb!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F572cecb5-2bac-442a-b085-36bd49aac20b_516x796.png 424w, 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Harrison needed to know Lauren would be faithful and give up the man in cargo shorts for good. Lauren, who gets her own chapter near the book&#8217;s end, needed to know she could be emotionally safe and feel loved despite being married to a man whose attention so often was directed at his laptop. </p><p>It was one repair project involving two different blueprints. That mismatch of blueprints is what today&#8217;s Riff is going to delve into. It&#8217;s something that shows up regularly in my therapy office, though few people see it coming.</p><h3>When Trust Shatters</h3><p>One of the common experiences that brings couples into therapy is a betrayal of trust. Sometimes it&#8217;s one person failing to honor a commitment of sexual fidelity. Other times it&#8217;s that one person had different expectations of what supporting one another&#8217;s careers meant. Sometimes it&#8217;s that one person grew out of drinking for fun while the other fell only harder into the habit. And sometimes it&#8217;s a more general shattering of the implicit trust to evolve together. </p><p>However trust is defined, the breaking of it hurts deeply. And the couples who enter into therapy usually yearn to rebuild it. But the path back is hard. It can be surprising in ways nobody warns you about.</p><p>For one thing, when trust shatters, so does the carefulness that kept partners from sharing their most honest thoughts and feelings: the complaints they&#8217;d been swallowing for years, the needs they&#8217;d been too shy or tired to name. Broken trust has a way of shoving those things out on the table. And that level of honesty forces a clarity that limbo never does. Which leads to a choice.</p><p>Obviously the choice of what to do is complicated, but (overly) simply put, sometimes both people decide the relationship is worth the unglamorous, unsexy work of rebuilding. Other times, they decide the relationship can&#8217;t be saved and part ways. </p><p>Couples who decide to do the work of rebuilding usually know it will be challenging. But what&#8217;s often entirely surprising is that partners are rebuilding different things.</p><h3>Trust Isn&#8217;t One Thing</h3><p>One research-based definition of trust, as <a href="https://offtheclockpsych.com/how-trust-works-with-peter-h-kim/">articulated to me</a> by researcher Peter Kim, who wrote the book <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0ca6O9OE">How Trust Works</a>, </em>is that &#8220;the concept of trust has been effectively defined in the past few decades as a willingness to make oneself vulnerable in situations involving risk.&#8221; But what researchers have also discovered is that what feels risky to one person may be no big deal at all to another. To wit, when I ask couples what trust means to them, I get wildly different answers, sometimes from people who&#8217;ve been married for decades.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!upA4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d4e5cbd-a314-4690-a311-5f134985f43d_590x904.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!upA4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7d4e5cbd-a314-4690-a311-5f134985f43d_590x904.png 424w, 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If you say you&#8217;ll be home at 6, be home at 6.&#8221; &#8220;If you promise to handle the finances, handle the finances.&#8221;</p><p>For some, trust is about <em>shared values</em>: &#8220;I need to know that when you make decisions&#8212;even ones I&#8217;m not part of&#8212;you&#8217;re thinking about what&#8217;s good for us, for our family. That your choices reflect our shared life.&#8221;</p><p>For some, trust is about <em>psychological safety: </em>&#8220;I need to know I can share my true feelings and you won&#8217;t have a painful emotional reaction that makes me regret having said something.&#8221;</p><p>For others, trust means <em>relational effort: </em>&#8220;I need to know my partner will try, regardless of how hard things get.&#8221;</p><p>If this fragmentation sounds like sloppy thinking, it isn't. For <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John-Holmes-29/publication/232554295_Trust_in_Close_Relationships/links/0046352cdcd5694aee000000/Trust-in-Close-Relationships.pdf">decades</a>, relationship scientists have found that trust in close relationships isn't a single belief but several stacked together. For instance, there&#8217;s predictability (you'll do what you usually do), dependability (you'll do what you say), and faith (you'll keep choosing us, even in situations neither of us can foresee yet). We can&#8217;t achieve a tidy typology because <a href="https://www.ellieshockley.com/s/InterdisciplinaryPerspectivesonTrust.pdf#page=32">researchers define trust inconsistently</a>, but also because trust manifests differently for different people in different relationships.</p><h3> Different Definitions Aren&#8217;t &#8220;Being Difficult&#8221;</h3>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Disagreement, Redefined]]></title><description><![CDATA[Good news for bad disagreers, in conversation with Harvard professor Julia Minson]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/disagreement-redefined</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/disagreement-redefined</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:31:19 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/5226e6c1-2873-4e9d-b7cf-7c56e3acbeaa_5216x2934.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Tuesday, Riffers!</p><p>Since the book came out, I find myself repeatedly recommending Harvard Professor Julia Minson&#8217;s <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0hcSY5es">How to Disagree Better</a>.</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a><em> </em><a href="https://www.juliaminson.com/">Julia studies</a> the psychology of disagreement&#8212;how we engage with opinions that conflict with our own, especially around hot-button topics like politics, values, and health decisions. Her core idea is that people who disagree better are more <em>receptive</em> to opposing viewpoints, genuinely caring about and being willing to acknowledge where the other person is coming from.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUOl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5bfd2d69-188a-4486-a2db-06f74426bd2e_1213x1832.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!QUOl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5bfd2d69-188a-4486-a2db-06f74426bd2e_1213x1832.jpeg 424w, 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While you can listen to the full recorded conversation <a href="https://offtheclockpsych.com/how-to-disagree-better-with-julia-minson/">here</a>, in today&#8217;s newsletter, I&#8217;ll share a piece of our conversation that wasn&#8217;t included in that episode. </p><p>Let&#8217;s start with the best definition of constructive disagreement I&#8217;ve ever encountered, one that comes from Julia&#8217;s work: </p><blockquote><p><strong>&#8202;Constructive disagreement is any disagreement that increases the parties&#8217; willingness to talk to each other again.  </strong></p></blockquote><p>Sit with that for a moment, if you can, because it reframes the whole goal of disagreement. It&#8217;s no longer about who is right or wrong or whether you&#8217;ve reached consensus. <strong>It&#8217;s about whether the conversation left the people involved not only open to talking again, but </strong><em><strong>increasingly</strong></em><strong> inclined to do so.</strong> </p><p>I find this goal of disagreement, as well as Julia&#8217;s body of research, transformative in shifting the measure of success in difficult conversations from <em>winning</em> to <em>preserving the relationship as a space for future exchanges. </em>Whether it&#8217;s conversations with people we&#8217;re close to or more peripheral, community relationships, this shift has the potential to foster more connections, even when we don&#8217;t see eye-to-eye.</p><p>According to Julia&#8217;s research, receptivity to other people&#8217;s points of view is the mechanism underlying it all. And one of the coolest things about receptivity is what happens when you practice it. </p><p>Julia agreed to a brief bonus Q&amp;A after we stopped recording, in which she shared with me why "you're not listening to me" is so unlikely to ever produce a good listener, why receptivity is contagious, and what therapists know about modeling that political leaders apparently don't.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> [<em>conversation lightly edited for length and clarity</em>]:</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Other People's Anger Is a Fire Alarm. Ours Is a TED Talk.]]></title><description><![CDATA[New research on how we judge those who lose their temper.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/other-peoples-anger-is-a-fire-alarm</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/other-peoples-anger-is-a-fire-alarm</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2026 09:31:30 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Riffers,</p><p>I bet you know the feeling: someone near you gets angry (your partner, a stranger at the airport gate, the friend who takes referee decisions personally) and your whole system does the thing. It&#8217;s shoulders up, eyes down, and a sudden intense interest in your phone. Because if you&#8217;re like most people, other people&#8217;s anger is deeply uncomfortable to be around.</p><p>Our own anger, though? Ours is different. Ours is justified. We&#8217;d like it received as important information, delivered with regrettable but understandable heat. Everyone else&#8217;s anger is a fire alarm; ours is a TED talk.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png" width="453" height="453" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1200,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:453,&quot;bytes&quot;:1332020,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/207193881?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CVu8!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9a2c28a2-9294-43f4-8b5b-31af636fa858_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>I&#8217;ll confess the double standard runs deep for me, even as I might like anger more than most. In fact, when someone recently asked my favorite emotion, I said, &#8220;Clinically? Easy: it&#8217;s anger.&#8221; In a couples therapy session, anger is a gift. It flags exactly what a couple hasn&#8217;t been able to say skillfully, but which really needs to be said. </p><p>Outside the office, though, I&#8217;d still prefer everyone submit their grievances in writing, on cardstock, with reminders that their anger is about my behavior, not my humanity.</p><p>So what&#8217;s going on here? Why do we prize our own anger and flinch at everyone else&#8217;s? A recent set of studies suggests an answer.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3>First, a Word in Anger&#8217;s Defense</h3><p>A few years ago, I had a memorable exchange during <a href="https://offtheclockpsych.com/184-getting-past-affairs-and-other-relationship-betrayals-with-kristina-coop-gordon/">a podcast interview</a> with a relationship researcher, Kristi Coop Gordon. Gordon studies, among other things, marital infidelity.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> We were talking about anger in the context of affair disclosures, and I said something about anger being a secondary emotion to hurt feelings.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> But Gordon reminded me that anger can be primary, a reasonable and sometimes necessary response to injustice and harm.</p><p><a href="https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/spc3.12229">Anger fires in response to</a> real harm, real injustice, and real obstacles. It&#8217;s the appropriate response to profound relationship betrayal, but also to arriving at your destination and <a href="https://idp.springer.com/authorize/casa?redirect_uri=https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1023/A:1024498629430.pdf&amp;casa_token=XhDZJKrzllwAAAAA:2msYNt6uIun76w53iCgv74ob0OVoqV2yt6VngICyzKMgva3zpR0XT2uo2B4CgGLbay0V9Oy1i0iQWjnz">discovering your bags have not</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> Anger, according to Gordon, is often necessary when people would otherwise remain in situations that are not healthy, like when a partner too easily forgives a transgression. Anger prepares us and then motivates us to take action.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png" width="299" height="299" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1200,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:299,&quot;bytes&quot;:1051755,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/207193881?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!le8a!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc9331b92-c9e2-4427-a5ab-eb6e814247de_1200x1200.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>It also seems clear that <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1368430209105046">anger has a uniting force</a>. We use anger against opposition to galvanize action, and anger at sports opponents to bond fans and teams alike.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> None of that works if anger stays hidden. Expressing anger seems the obvious call. </p><p>That conclusion only gets more obvious when we consider the costs of <em>not</em> expressing our fury.</p><h2>Suppression&#8217;s terrible reputation, briefly reviewed</h2><p>If you&#8217;ve read anything about emotion regulation in the past twenty years, you know the party line: suppression is the bad strategy. Pushing feelings down is <a href="http://www.gruberpeplab.com/teaching/psych131_fall2013/documents/10.2_GrossLevenson1993_Emotionalsuppression.pdf">linked to</a> psychological distress, physiological arousal, and even memory impairment. There are considerable <a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/emo/17/4/669/">social costs</a> as well, from worse first impressions to lower social support and poorer romantic relationship quality. Socially, suppressors tend to be seen as <a href="https://osf.io/download/7u4zh">less warm or agreeable</a>. Anger suppression specifically carries its own <a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/emo/17/4/669/">bill</a>: more depression, more stress, more physical health problems, and less support from others.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xghk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ec3121f-21dc-450d-a30c-01bdd58dede5_1200x1200.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!xghk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1ec3121f-21dc-450d-a30c-01bdd58dede5_1200x1200.png 424w, 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And yet we all keep doing it. Constantly. At work, on hold with the insurance company, or in the car behind the person who has apparently never encountered a green light before. Why?</p><p>We regulate emotions partly for the room. How we feel shapes how others feel (emotion contagion) and how they feel about us (impression formation). Emotion regulation is partly a private health behavior and partly a public relations department. But sometimes the two departments disagree.</p><h2>And yet, the composed win the social game</h2><p>Here&#8217;s where we get to a new study published in the academic journal <em>Emotion, </em>in which<em> </em><a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/journals/emo/26/4/815/">researchers ran seven studies</a> with 2,613 participants. Participants read vignettes about people facing conflict, the kind of moment where anger would be understandable, maybe even justified. Some targets expressed their anger. Others suppressed it. Then participants rated the targets on the two dimensions that dominate how we size each other up: warmth and competence.</p><p>The result was consistent, and it complicates the &#8220;suppression is always bad&#8221; story. In the authors&#8217; words, &#8220;people viewed those who suppressed (vs. expressed) anger as warmer and more competent.&#8221;</p><p>Two sets of findings deserve their own paragraphs.</p><p><strong>First, the effects held across race and gender.</strong> Given what we know about cultural stereotypes, you might predict that women and Black individuals would pay a steeper price for expressing anger. In these studies, the suppression advantage didn&#8217;t differ by target gender (male versus female) or race (White versus Black). A caution worth holding: these were hypothetical people in vignettes, and how these judgments play out with real colleagues, real neighbors, and real partners may be messier. Still, the null result is notable.</p><p><strong>Second, and most interesting to me, the mechanism.</strong> The suppression advantage ran through what the researchers call &#8220;mind ascription.&#8221; Participants ascribed more sophisticated minds to the people who held their anger in, and that attribution drove the warmth and competence ratings. As the authors put it, someone suppressing anger &#8220;even in a context where they might be justified in expressing this anger may be demonstrating higher order regulatory abilities indicative of mental sophistication.&#8221;</p><p>So it&#8217;s just a vignette study, but I urge you to pause on that because it&#8217;s a strange and also quite useful finding (more on that below). When someone visibly doesn&#8217;t lose it, it seems we don&#8217;t just think &#8220;how polite.&#8221; We think &#8220;what a deep and well-furnished inner life this person must have&#8221; or &#8220;wow, look at them being kind even when most people would be furious.&#8221; We treat composure as evidence of a kind of intelligence. </p><h3>For the People You Actually Live With</h3><p>An important from research-to-real-world caveat: these studies involved participants judging people inside of brief vignettes. Marriages are not vignettes, and your family member or close friend is not a stranger (however it may sometimes feel). But I do think the findings point to some interesting things:</p><p><strong>The suppression tax gets paid somewhere.</strong> The costs of suppressing anger are intrapersonal (they live in the suppressor&#8217;s distress, physiology, and health). The benefits are interpersonal (they live in other people&#8217;s impressions of you). In a committed relationship, those two ledgers belong to the same household. Other people may experience you as warmer in the moment you swallow your anger. But, they may experience you as colder over the years you keep doing it. And perhaps chronic suppression is corrosive to intimacy in part because it works so well in the short term. This study helps explain why the bad strategy is so seductive: it gets rewarded in the moment.</p><p><strong>Show your mind while you show your anger.</strong> Perhaps we don&#8217;t feel compelled to judge our own anger because we know the complex contours of our own minds in ways we cannot know others&#8217;. That&#8217;s why the mental ascription matters so much in our judgement of others.</p><p>This finding about mind ascription helpfully hints at a workaround for judging others, though. If composure earns credit because it signals a sophisticated mind, then the goal isn't to hide the anger; it's to let the sophistication show alongside it. In practice, that might mean narrating the complex thoughts that accompany the angry ones: "I'm really angry about this, and I also know you didn't mean for it to happen," or "I'm furious, and I want to understand your side before I decide what to make of it." You get anger's benefits (the signal, the motivation, the honesty) while displaying exactly the regulatory capacity that observers reward. It's expressing the feeling and the thinking at the same time, which, not coincidentally, is what I spend half my clinical hours teaching couples to do.</p><p><strong>Watch the judgment you&#8217;re importing.</strong> If suppressors get credited with sophisticated minds, then expressers get debited. That means when your partner, your kid, or your colleague shows anger, some part of you may be quietly downgrading not just their behavior but their competence and their character. The angry person in your life is then left fighting two battles at once: the thing they&#8217;re angry about, and your freshly revised opinion of their mind.</p><p>So the research offers insights that discomfort with other people&#8217;s anger isn&#8217;t a personal quirk. It&#8217;s standard-issue human person perception. Knowing the mechanism helps. When we catch ourselves wishing an angry person would just be kind, maybe what we&#8217;re actually doing is downgrading them for expressing themselves. </p><p>You know what, though? I still don&#8217;t like it when the people around me are angry. See: World Cup viewing, or any given Red Sox game. All that fury at the opponent makes me wonder whether anyone remembers that the opponent&#8217;s fans are hating on us with equal conviction and equally little cause. In those moments, I find myself wishing angry people would see the humanity in their athletic opposition, that they&#8217;d choose kindness.</p><p>But, when I&#8217;m mad? Total TED talk.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a></p><h3>Your turn.</h3><p>This all leaves me with questions I&#8217;m still sitting with, and they&#8217;re ones I&#8217;d love to share:</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Live with Dr. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary]]></title><description><![CDATA[A recording from Yael Schonbrun and Dr. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary's live video]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/live-with-dr-tracy-dennis-tiwary</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/live-with-dr-tracy-dennis-tiwary</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2026 17:16:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://api.substack.com/feed/podcast/206101445/f210fc0f51c16bcf0a14962e87ac757f.mp3" length="0" type="audio/mpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="install-substack-app-embed install-substack-app-embed-web" data-component-name="InstallSubstackAppToDOM"><img class="install-substack-app-embed-img" src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W8fA!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F62f7d6e0-e605-4ae3-b7df-eee5aa7a1b70_1063x1063.png"><div class="install-substack-app-embed-text"><div class="install-substack-app-header">Get more from Yael Schonbrun in the Substack app</div><div class="install-substack-app-text">Available for iOS and Android</div></div><a href="https://substack.com/app/app-store-redirect?utm_campaign=app-marketing&amp;utm_content=author-post-insert&amp;utm_source=relationalriffs" target="_blank" class="install-substack-app-embed-link"><button class="install-substack-app-embed-btn button primary">Get the app</button></a></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Relational SPF: Protect Before You Burn]]></title><description><![CDATA[Books to keep the sun shining on your relational life.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/relational-spf-protect-before-you</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/relational-spf-protect-before-you</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2026 09:31:20 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/e6f34dd1-d112-49c0-b16d-216bef4d07e7_696x274.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Riffers,</p><p><em>Quick housekeeping before we get into it: </em><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Dr. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:5667010,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bdeec80b-5f11-4ff1-9500-c8cd42d19d02_4024x6048.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;74886fde-59b9-4a83-8b17-2e28ed066816&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span><em> and I are doing another </em><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;This Is Why You Love It &quot;,&quot;id&quot;:9060264,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;pub&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://open.substack.com/pub/thisiswhyyouloveit&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/719a3605-989b-4298-b1f0-17dc0f079ee6_1024x1024.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;a73c3c5d-60d7-48c1-a711-4258c2c65f5f&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> <em>Live this Wednesday at 12pm ET, digging into the psychology of Toy Story 5&#8212;what it says about attachment, nostalgia, and why a movie about toys keeps making grown adults cry in theaters. Come join us live, using <a href="https://open.substack.com/live-stream/268303">this link</a>, or catch the replay after!</em></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Hard to Love]]></title><description><![CDATA[Lena Dunham on being desperate to connect and guaranteed to repel.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/hard-to-love</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/hard-to-love</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 09:31:41 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/ohYYLlLZN14" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Riffers,</p><p>Last week <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Dr. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:5667010,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bdeec80b-5f11-4ff1-9500-c8cd42d19d02_4024x6048.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;67612dc7-d338-4d88-b411-f772bb39abec&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> and I hopped on a Substack Live for a new discussion series we&#8217;re calling <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;This Is Why You Love It &quot;,&quot;id&quot;:9060264,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;pub&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://open.substack.com/pub/thisiswhyyouloveit&quot;,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/719a3605-989b-4298-b1f0-17dc0f079ee6_1024x1024.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;1c9ae271-dfbc-4b75-a2c6-ecab205bacdf&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>. In this series, we dive down the rabbit hole of entertainment, exploring why we love it and why it&#8217;s good for us to love it. In fact, this series was inspired by a 2013 study comparing three interventions to a control condition.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> The interventions: two active couples treatments and&#8230; a watch-and-discuss-movie intervention. And guess what, the movie condition did just as well as actual therapy for relationship outcomes! 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It was, shall we say, not good.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>Celebrity lives and relationships fascinate us. Which is the perfect segue to this week&#8217;s topic: why writer, actor, and director <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Lena Dunham&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:310114162,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d0ec5762-7a27-48ee-b97a-f6ed25cc1365_1206x1206.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;b7d1983d-9969-4636-969c-799248bd2ba2&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> is sometimes loved, sometimes reviled, and quite often just entirely misunderstood.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><h3>The Need Beneath the Noise</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" 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href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/famesick-a-memoir-lena-dunham/051a699f988a479a?ean=9780593129326&amp;next=t">Famesick</a></em> offers a treatise on what it's like to be desperate to connect yet too often misunderstood. </p><p>Dunham burst onto the celebrity scene at age twenty-four, with her semi-autobiographical film, <em><a href="https://youtu.be/m_UVdNH0gJQ?si=NSBUIf0vGKO6_FJ0">Tiny Furniture</a></em>. It won the Independent Spirit Award for best first screenplay and led to all sorts of offers, including from HBO, where she came up with the idea of a series that would fully launch her into the public eye: <em>Girls</em>.</p><div id="youtube2-ohYYLlLZN14" class="youtube-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;videoId&quot;:&quot;ohYYLlLZN14&quot;,&quot;startTime&quot;:null,&quot;endTime&quot;:null}" data-component-name="Youtube2ToDOM"><div class="youtube-inner"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ohYYLlLZN14?rel=0&amp;autoplay=0&amp;showinfo=0&amp;enablejsapi=0" frameborder="0" loading="lazy" gesture="media" allow="autoplay; fullscreen" allowautoplay="true" allowfullscreen="true" width="728" height="409"></iframe></div></div><p>In surreal fashion, Dunham writing, directing, and starring in <em>Girls</em> meant she was creating art about twenty-something women trying to find themselves while simultaneously <em>being</em> a twenty-something-year old trying desperately to find herself. But unlike the characters she was writing, she wasn&#8217;t just barely making it in New York&#8212;she had made it. And the fact of her success meant she was  responsible for the livelihoods of hundreds of people working on the series. </p><p>As the pressures and publicity mounted, she tried to keep her head above water and sustain the relationships that were, for her, the very heart of it all. As she writes:</p><blockquote><p>Contrary to what some people believe, I never got into this to offend anyone. I did it to connect.</p></blockquote><p><em>[Note: I listened to this book rather than read it, so quotes are transcribed as carefully as I could manage rather than copied directly. Apologies for any inaccuracies.]</em></p><p>The need for understanding is as universal as the need for belonging, because really, they are one and the same. And Dunham describes herself as exquisitely hungry for understanding, deeply wounded when the need is thwarted. She recalls an instance of meeting up with old friends during a busy season of <em>Girls</em> in which she had lost her voice. She didn&#8217;t bail because she wanted her friends to know they were a priority. But later, she learned they viewed her showing up and writing to communicate as a form of attention-seeking rather than a sign of friend-devotion. </p><h3>When More Backfires</h3><p>As Dunham&#8217;s success grew, so did her struggles: trauma, a chronic illness that took years to diagnose, an addiction born of trying to manage both. Through it all, Dunham continued to fight to be understood, to give others enough that they would love and understand her as worthy, whether the offers were artistic, financial, or energetic. </p><p>In 2016,  after the presidential election where she threw her celebrity status behind Hilary Clinton, the misunderstanding and rejection reached a new crescendo. She writes:</p><blockquote><p>I knew the internet had become, once and for all, a place where I was absolutely guaranteed to find pages and pages daily of abjectly cruel messages, things the meanest teenager wouldn&#8217;t even say to the most deserving mother&#8230; It seems to me, looking back, that I thought the cure for such widespread disdain&#8212;some of it personal, some of it political, a lot of it the result of toxicity breeding only more toxicity&#8212;was not to show less of myself but to show more, as if revealing myself down to the guts would allow for some kind of renewed understanding. I was, in hindsight, just begging. And what are we humans better at than averting our eyes from a beggar?</p></blockquote><p>Her experience reflects an unfortunate but <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/theyre-wrong-about-you-and-you-cant">predictable feedback loop</a>: pursuing understanding so intensely can all but  guarantee misunderstanding.</p><h3>The Closest Knife</h3><p>Among the most painful misunderstandings Dunham describes wasn&#8217;t with strangers on the internet or the doctors who didn&#8217;t listen to her. It was with Jenni Konner, the <em>Girls</em> showrunner. </p><p>From the start of the series, Dunham and Konner&#8217;s lives became intertwined professionally and personally and with what seemed like a true and caring devotion. But as Dunham looked back in the aftermath of illness, addiction, and heartbreak, she could see that Jenni&#8217;s motivations were a mix of love and professional ploy. In hindsight, she could see that Konner had pushed her to keep working even when she was sick, to take medicine rather than slowing down to wonder what was really going on medically, and dismissed the cruel analysis being foisted on her from every direction rather than appreciating the pain of it. The person who she thought understood her most unconditionally, it turned out, also had <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/theyre-wrong-about-you-and-you-cant">motivations not to understand</a>. </p><p>Dunham describes begging Konner to try:</p><blockquote><p>The triad of illness, trauma, and addiction was more than I had been able to bear. Everything that had happened publicly was harder than I let on. But it was real&#8212;it could be clearly laid out on a timeline, like in a history book or a true-crime podcast&#8230; And now, I told her, I was still dealing with the physical pain of an incurable condition, a condition I had never taken a moment to consider the emotional implications of.</p></blockquote><p>Konner responded: </p><blockquote><p>But you keep saying you&#8217;re sick&#8230; like you still believe it&#8217;s physical. </p></blockquote><p>She thought Dunham was &#8220;clinging to this random diagnosis like it&#8217;s an answer.&#8221;</p><p>When strangers misunderstand you, it&#8217;s often because they lack information or don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth putting in the energy to understand. But someone who knows you, who has invested in you, and who still won't see you? That's a wound that can feel intolerable. </p><p>The research bears this out: <span>on days people feel better understood, </span><a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2652476/pdf/nihms84552.pdf">they report</a><span> higher life satisfaction and fewer physical symptoms. </span><a href="http://nwkpsych.rutgers.edu/~kharber/selectedtopicsinsocialpsychology/READINGS/oishi%20et%20al.felt%20understanding%20pain%20hill%20slant%20distance.2012.pdf">When researchers experimentally induce feelings of being misunderstood</a><span> and then ask participants to complete seemingly unrelated physical tasks, they find that those who feel misunderstood show reduced pain tolerance. </span></p><p>Dunham didn&#8217;t give up on understanding easily. Hurting but still hopeful, she told Konner that she would like to meet in a therapist&#8217;s office to figure out what to do with their shattered relationship. Minutes in, the therapist notes that the question seems to be whether they can salvage a friendship from their wrecked business partnership. To this, Jenni simply&#8230; shrugs.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> </p><p>Dunham writes about what happened next:</p><blockquote><p>She turned to me. &#8216;I have just one request.&#8217; </p><p>&#8216;Anything,&#8217; I said. &#8216;Really, anything.&#8217; </p><p>&#8216;Please don&#8217;t write about this immediately. I know how you work and that you will, but please, just not right away.&#8217;</p><p>She knew me, she knew my process better than anyone&#8230;. I felt myself say goodbye to all of this knowing and being known and tried to summon a perfect response, something that expressed that I knew all the ways this had been hard, all the ways I had been hard&#8212;hard to corral, hard to understand, hard to love&#8212;all the ways she had been my best and always, had confounded me and terrified me, made me my best and worst. </p><p>But then she began to gather her things: purse, phone, a CVS bag, and stood. &#8216;Thank you for your help,&#8217; she said to the therapist.</p></blockquote><p>With 47 more minutes left to go in their first session, Konner departed. Dunham, doing her best to abide by Konner&#8217;s request, waited seven years to write about it. </p><p><em>Upgrade to keep reading: the  realizations that save relationships and what research says about finding the people worth the understanding effort. (I wrote a <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/827849/why-dont-you-understand-me-by-yael-schonbrun-phd/">whole book</a> about this, out October 27th. Pre-order <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-you-dont-see-you-cant-understand">if you are able!</a>)</em></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[When “I’m Triggered” Stops the Scene]]></title><description><![CDATA[Hey Riffers,]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/when-im-triggered-stops-the-scene</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/when-im-triggered-stops-the-scene</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 09:31:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/youtube/w_728,c_limit/C6wY9OwqJ2A" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Riffers,</p><p><em>Thank you to all who responded so supportively about my <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-you-dont-see-you-cant-understand">book announcement </a>last week. It meant the world to me. </em></p><p><em>I want to make a different kind of announcement today. My <span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">fellow </span><a href="https://tracydennistiwary.substack.com/"><span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">Substack writer</span></a><span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);"> and one of my favorite humans to chat with (because she&#8217;s brilliant, funny, and allergic to bullshit), </span><span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Dr. Tracy Dennis-Tiwary&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:5667010,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bdeec80b-5f11-4ff1-9500-c8cd42d19d02_4024x6048.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;5bc526be-0261-4499-9a78-df9d7a4be498&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> <span data-color="rgb(34, 34, 34)" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34);">and I realized we both take the psychology of e&#8230;</span></em></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[I Wrote a Book. The Odds Are Not Great.]]></title><description><![CDATA[The lies success stories tell and a glimpse into the process of publishing a book before the ending is written.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-you-dont-see-you-cant-understand</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-you-dont-see-you-cant-understand</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 09:31:28 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3b521c82-9ed0-4dec-9b02-5f387b89535f_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Riffers new and old,</p><p>I wrote <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/827849/why-dont-you-understand-me-by-yael-schonbrun-phd/">a book</a> and it comes out October 27th. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> but consider today my official announcement. </p><p>And the official cover reveal!</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iBaK!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72f0f9fb-a0ea-4041-b527-330607a69c30_1815x2715.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iBaK!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F72f0f9fb-a0ea-4041-b527-330607a69c30_1815x2715.jpeg 424w, 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Cheating and Other Relationship Roadkill]]></title><description><![CDATA[On betrayal and the stories we can't stop listening to.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 09:31:18 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7Loh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9c51a5f-1513-4e2b-903d-37bc08c172fa_1920x1276.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Relational Riffers,</p><p>Stories of deception, cheating, and gaslighting are like car accidents on the highway: we know we should look away. We cannot.</p><p>The betrayal memoirs keep coming. Belle Burden&#8217;s memoir, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/05RDRcwC">Strangers</a></em> followed her <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/style/modern-love-married-to-a-stranger.html">viral </a><em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/style/modern-love-married-to-a-stranger.html">Modern Love </a></em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/30/style/modern-love-married-to-a-stranger.html">essay</a> about a marriage that, overnight, transformed from mutually loving to something her husband had lost interest in being part of.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> The book was an instant bestseller. A <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/05/style/modern-love-infidelity-couldnt-tell-him-why-we-had-to-break-up.html">recent </a><em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/05/style/modern-love-infidelity-couldnt-tell-him-why-we-had-to-break-up.html">Modern Love</a></em><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/05/style/modern-love-infidelity-couldnt-tell-him-why-we-had-to-break-up.html"> essay</a> offers a reckoning with a decades-old affair that was never revealed. An <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/2026/05/divorce-soccer-infidelity-chris-jones/687232/?utm_medium=cr&amp;utm_source=email&amp;utm_campaign=06_03_2026_tta_jones_marriage_acquisition_engaged_books_and_culture_interest_actives_medium_subject_line_50_50_a&amp;utm_content=A&amp;utm_term=engaged_books_and_culture_interest_actives">excerpt in </a><em><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/family/2026/05/divorce-soccer-infidelity-chris-jones/687232/?utm_medium=cr&amp;utm_source=email&amp;utm_campaign=06_03_2026_tta_jones_marriage_acquisition_engaged_books_and_culture_interest_actives_medium_subject_line_50_50_a&amp;utm_content=A&amp;utm_term=engaged_books_and_culture_interest_actives">The Atlantic</a></em> from the new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/02toZN4G">Legs Hearts Minds</a> </em>by Chris Jones, shares the devastation of discovering a wife&#8217;s affair in real time, sitting in a leather chair in the dark of the night, watching her live-texting with her lover from a MacBook synced to her iPhone. </p><p>We can&#8217;t help but remain transfixed, inhaling, judging, parsing the carnage.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7Loh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9c51a5f-1513-4e2b-903d-37bc08c172fa_1920x1276.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!7Loh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe9c51a5f-1513-4e2b-903d-37bc08c172fa_1920x1276.jpeg 424w, 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I think it&#8217;s this: We rubberneck because we believe, somewhere, that if we look hard enough, we'll find the explanation that makes it make sense. The problem&#8212;and this is the part that takes longest to accept&#8212;is that the person who hurt us often doesn't have that explanation to give.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3>A Social Contract</h3><p>The truth is that accelerating onto the highway would be a much more terrifying enterprise if we didn&#8217;t have a social contract of driving that kept mutual safety possible. The same is true for relationships. Entering into a serious relationship, and especially a marriage, means attaching your life to someone else&#8217;s. You make sacrifices based on the assumption that they will make sacrifices too. You trust that your interests are somewhere near the center of their decision-making. You build a life around that assumption.</p><p>This is what makes betrayal so destabilizing. It&#8217;s not just the act itself. It&#8217;s the discovery that the social contract you thought everyone had agreed to may not have existed at all. The agreement you thought was being honored dissolved and made you roadkill, even as you continued naively thinking &#8220;I am safe.&#8221;</p><p>In the couples therapy room, I see this regularly. It&#8217;s the partners working through discovered affairs. And betrayals aren&#8217;t limited to infidelity. It&#8217;s also financial secrets, partners who quietly resumed drinking after committing to abstinence, and even the slow realization that values assumed to be shared (around sex, around parenting, around privacy) have been modified without notification. </p><p>In every case of betrayal, there is an agreement (sometimes formal, sometimes informal) that was broken, revealing that we are not as protected inside our relationships as we&#8217;d like to believe.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h3>The Villain We Need</h3><p>When we&#8217;ve been hurt by people we trust, the pain can be profound. Researchers consider betrayal by a partner to be <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Alain-Brunet/publication/342149319_Is_romantic_partner_betrayal_a_form_of_traumatic_experience_A_qualitative_study/links/62437a545e2f8c7a0348090f/Is-romantic-partner-betrayal-a-form-of-traumatic-experience-A-qualitative-study.pdf">a form of interpersonal trauma</a>, with effects that can be both <a href="http://chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://pages.uoregon.edu/dynamic/jjf/articles/gfd2012.pdf">immediate</a> and <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jennifer-Freyd/publication/274867322_The_Impact_of_Betrayal_Trauma_on_the_Tendency_to_Trust/links/578d5b4408ae254b1de87535/The-Impact-of-Betrayal-Trauma-on-the-Tendency-to-Trust.pdf">long-lasting</a>. To tend to our psychic wounds, we seek out coherence. </p><p>We have an innate drive to try to understand, to make sense of something that feels so incomprehensible. The drive aims to help us regain a sense of predictability in the world, to reassure us that we can prevent such devastation from happening again. </p><p>Humans are <a href="https://a.co/d/0fxMrQ7M">wired for storytelling</a> because organizing our world through story helps us make sense of what otherwise feels nonsensical. And the simplest stories we turn to when we are in pain have a clear villain and a clear victim. It&#8217;s the car accident with a perpetrator who drove badly and a victim who suffered the consequences. In a close relationship, we categorize the story into the person who cheated and the person who was cheated upon. Simple. Clear. </p><p>That clarity doesn&#8217;t undo the pain of betrayal&#8212;of course not. But it provides a strange kind of comfort. If the person who hurt you is a psychopath, a skilled liar, or someone who knew exactly what they were doing and didn&#8217;t care&#8212;then your judgment wasn&#8217;t broken. You were simply outmaneuvered by someone better at deception than you were at detection. We yearn for this kind of clarity. A story to make it all make sense.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yON!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fff6f90c6-f7fa-42bb-b5fe-6b2d7370e3c0_438x666.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yON!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fff6f90c6-f7fa-42bb-b5fe-6b2d7370e3c0_438x666.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6yON!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fff6f90c6-f7fa-42bb-b5fe-6b2d7370e3c0_438x666.png 848w, 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In one passage, she shares a text she wrote to him a year after he had left:</p><blockquote><p>&#8216;You never told me what I did wrong in our marriage, why you stopped loving me. It&#8217;s such an awful thing after twenty-one years not to know.&#8217; I had hoped something had changed, that he would give me the answer, the lost frames of the movie, something to help me understand what had happened. He wrote back: &#8216;I wish I could answer your question. Something broke in me. It was me and not you. You did nothing wrong.&#8217;</p><p><strong>It should have been a relief, hearing again that it was not my fault, but it felt like a fresh blow, the answer without an answer, the refusal to fill in the blanks.</strong><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p></blockquote><p><em>If you've ever found yourself searching for an explanation that never quite came, you're in good company. The rest of this piece is about what we do with that. Paid subscribers read on below.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/cheating-roadkill-and-other-car-accidents/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><h3>The Opacity Problem</h3>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Romance Novel Guide to Ruining Your Relationship]]></title><description><![CDATA[(Unfortunate) lessons from romance novels about problem-solving.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-romance-novel-guide-to-ruining</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-romance-novel-guide-to-ruining</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2026 09:30:44 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!3_qD!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fff230a84-7f13-433b-baff-2c73380b8a5f_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between dense nonfiction and research articles, I enjoy a light read&#8212;mostly in the form of ultra sappy, sometimes sexy romance novels. I view it as the literary equivalent of a lemon sorbet between courses at a super fancy restaurant, except the sorbet is a predictable enemies-to-lovers arc. For me, it&#8217;s candy for a soul that can get a little prickly af&#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Investigating the People We Love]]></title><description><![CDATA[Why surveillance doesn't get us to the truth.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/investigating-the-people-we-love</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/investigating-the-people-we-love</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2026 09:31:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LoGS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c6f4da4-af18-43a3-ab25-d366d7bb39a9_1456x1180.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Riffers,</p><p>Last week, we dug into the unsettling reality that <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people">the people we love have inner worlds we are simply not privy t</a>o, and that our maps of them are always a little out of date, always a little incomplete. Most of the time, we can sit with that. We assume good faith, fill in the blanks charitably, and move on.</p><p>Today we&#8217;re going to discuss one common response in close relationships when something feels&#8230; <em>off</em>.</p><p>Maybe it&#8217;s a story that doesn&#8217;t quite add up. A mood you can&#8217;t account for. A charge on the credit card statement that stops you mid-scroll. A change of behavior that feels out of the blue. And once that suspicion takes root, a very human instinct kicks in: we start investigating. We go through the emails, or the texts, or the browser history, or the receipts hoping to find something that will settle it</p><p>And we often do find something. A conversation that looks ambiguous. A name we don&#8217;t recognize. A gap in the timeline. And then we feel worse, not better, because what we&#8217;ve found is evidence without context. We&#8217;ve collected clues without a narrator. We have data and no meaning, which, as anyone who has stared at an ambiguous text thread at midnight knows, is its own particular form of torture.</p><p>This is not a coincidence. It&#8217;s what happens when we&#8217;re inside of a situation involving suspicion and uncertainty. In those contexts, the human brain does what human brains do: they fill in the gaps of information with constructed information. </p><p>But there&#8217;s a problem with the conclusions we can arrive at through independent investigation: the only person who can actually tell us their truth is the person who&#8217;s holding it. That was a central point in the post last week about love maps and inner worlds. It&#8217;s just as true in today&#8217;s post. Surveillance doesn&#8217;t get us to true understanding of other people or situations. It only leads to guessing at truth.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3>The Othello Error</h3><p>What keeps us doing it anyway is a psychological phenomenon that researchers call the <a href="https://www.paulekman.com/blog/errors-in-detecting-lies/">Othello error</a>. It comes from Shakespeare&#8217;s tragedy, in which Othello interprets Desdemona&#8217;s distress and tearfulness as proof of her guilt rather than recognizing that her emotional response could just as easily be that of an innocent person confronted with devastating accusations. He reads the signals of anxiety as signals of deception. He&#8217;s wrong. She dies.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LoGS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c6f4da4-af18-43a3-ab25-d366d7bb39a9_1456x1180.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LoGS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c6f4da4-af18-43a3-ab25-d366d7bb39a9_1456x1180.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!LoGS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9c6f4da4-af18-43a3-ab25-d366d7bb39a9_1456x1180.png 848w, 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We look for confirmation of our suspicions and we find it everywhere: in the hesitation before an answer, the defensiveness after a question, the vagueness of an explanation. </p><p>Our certainty that something is wrong shapes what we see. But anxious and truthful looks, it turns out, a great deal like anxious and guilty.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/investigating-the-people-we-love?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/investigating-the-people-we-love?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h3><strong>Enter the Actual Investigator</strong></h3><p>The <em>Relational Riffs</em> discussion of the Othello Error caught the attention of <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Dudu Dekel&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:497755415,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/6d04d5df-f90b-499b-a9bc-7ec3bddd3d40_912x1092.png&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;3aa6de47-0b73-467e-96e9-bfd2abe3c593&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>, a fraud investigator and former narcotics detective in Tel Aviv who reached out after reading this <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/can-you-catch-a-liar">earlier piece on lie detection</a>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> As he put it, the Othello error isn&#8217;t just a problem for tragic Shakespearean heroes. It shows up constantly in professional investigation. And the consequences of getting it wrong are significant.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>Dudu comes from a family of investigators. His father served in Israeli Tel Aviv policing, specializing in undercover and intelligence work, and Dudu was drawn from an early age to detective novels, crime series, and spy stories.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> After compulsory military service, he joined the central unit of the Tel Aviv district narcotics division, where he served for 13 years before eventually turning to private investigation and <a href="https://www.udemy.com/course/private-investigation-course">teaching investigative thinking</a>.</p><p>What struck me most about Dudu is that years of experience have made him more suspicious of his own certainty, not less. His moments of confidence, he told me, are &#8220;exactly the moments when I try to pull myself back to the ground and challenge my own thinking. I ask: what might I be missing, what other explanation could fit these facts, and where am I just trying to prove that my first impression was right?&#8221;</p><p>He described the investigative culture that can form around a suspect: &#8220;We would receive intelligence that &#8216;this person is dealing drugs&#8217; or &#8216;this person is stealing cars.&#8217; For some people on the team, that information became a kind of truth, and the whole investigation turned into a project of proving that this person was guilty. There wasn&#8217;t always much space to ask, &#8216;What if the information is wrong?&#8217;&#8221;</p><p>That social pressure to prove wrongdoing real. <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Cialdini/publication/8902776_Social_Influence_Compliance_and_Conformity/links/0912f508b198371841000000/Social-Influence-Compliance-and-Conformity.pdf">Studies</a> <a href="http://j.b.legal.free.fr/Blog/share/M1/Articles%20INC/traits%20stereotypes/Conformity%20priming.pdf">consistently</a> <a href="https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0196600&amp;type=printable">show</a> that even subtle, nonconscious pressure can prompt people to conform, and that our drive to get things right is in constant negotiation with our drive not to be the person who says <em>actually, what if we&#8217;re wrong?</em> Add confirmation bias, the distorting effects of stereotypes, and the known phenomenon of<a href="https://a.co/d/0gsOrdMS"> false confessions</a>,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a> and you have a powerful system for seeing guilt&#8230; even when it <a href="https://innocenceproject.org/about/">isn&#8217;t there</a>.</p><p>Dudu&#8217;s strategies for counteracting this are worth borrowing, even without a badge. He tries to maintain a nonjudgmental stance, noting when he&#8217;s entering a conversation with the verdict already written. He actively seeks out what psychologists call disconfirmatory evidence: facts that challenge what he already thinks. He has a thinking partner whose explicit job is to poke holes in his reasoning, not validate it. And when suspicion is running high, he has a rule: no final conclusions, no final report, on the same day. He forces a pause. He goes home. He lets things settle.</p><p>Sometimes he makes a two-column table with evidence supporting one version in column and evidence contradicting it in the other. Only after writing both sides out does he allow himself to arrive at a conclusion.</p><p>He gave me an example of a moment his assumptions almost cost him:</p><p><em>&#8220;A few months ago, I was assigned to investigate a stolen vehicle claim. The insured lived in a neighborhood with a &#8216;difficult reputation,&#8217; my background check turned up some negative mentions, and I&#8217;ll admit &#8212; old patterns from my years in the police kicked in. I walked into that meeting already half-convinced it was fraud. But when I sat down with him and his family, something shifted. He cooperated fully, let me go through his phone, and we found plenty of evidence supporting his version. I left that house with a very different feeling &#8212; and a reminder of how easily I can be wrong when I let assumptions lead.&#8221;</em></p><p>None of these strategies requires a badge or a case file. But notice what they share: they&#8217;re all about managing what happens inside you before you walk into the room. The nonjudgmental stance, the two-column table, the forced pause &#8212; these are ways of arriving less certain, less prosecutorial, less committed to the story you&#8217;ve already written. And that matters for close relationships not just because it makes you more accurate, but because it changes what the other person encounters. You become someone it&#8217;s actually possible to tell the truth to.</p><p>Which is only half the work. The internal half. Slowing down the investigation gets you to the door. What happens when you walk through it is the other half &#8212; and that&#8217;s where last week&#8217;s idea about inner worlds becomes practically urgent.</p><p><em><strong>[If you&#8217;ve been on the fence about upgrading to a paid subscription, today is the last day to grab an annual subscription at 80% off. $10 for the year!]</strong></em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h3><strong>So What Does This Have to Do With Your 11pm Phone Check?</strong></h3><p>The Othello error doesn&#8217;t confine itself to professional investigators. 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Don't We Know About the People We Love?]]></title><description><![CDATA[On inner worlds and outdated maps.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 09:31:25 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/47288622-1591-4e0f-a3a9-d0bacbebfba0_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2014, a 19-year-old named Zac Brettler fell into the River Thames and drowned. Or maybe he jumped or was pushed&#8212;the British police never quite sorted it out. </p><p>His parents, of course, were devastated. They were also profoundly confused. The initial ruling of suicide didn&#8217;t make sense to them from what they had known about their child. And soon after his death, new, even more bewildering information began emerging. It seemed that Zac had been leading a secret life they had known nothing about. </p><p>As a kid, Zac had loved telling fabulist stories, mostly to entertain those he loved. But an entire secret life? Nothing his parents had ever worried about came close to that. Following a frustratingly inconclusive and error-ridden inquiry by Scotland Yard, their desperation for answers as to why Zac had perished eventually led them to investigative journalist Patrick Radden Keefe. </p><p>You might know Keefe from the investigation of the mysterious death of Jean McConville during the Troubles that became a <a href="https://a.co/d/0dpUmwGS">book</a> and then a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say_Nothing_(TV_series)">miniseries</a> called <em>Say Nothing</em>.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> In a new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/04TECv1G">London Falling</a>, </em>Keefe pieces together Zac&#8217;s journey from a bright, funny, well-loved child in a well-off family to something much darker. Perhaps the fall began when Zac didn&#8217;t get into the prestigious school his older brother attended and instead ended up at a less academically competitive school on the outskirts of London, where wealthy foreign families sent their children. Keefe surmises that Zac may have come under the spell of a world in which the veneration of wealth and status reigned supreme. From there, it seems, Zac built himself into a serial fabulist, eventually constructing an entire alter ego of &#8220;son of an oligarch.&#8221;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hedp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9c13681-9bd9-4277-8ff5-5bd7a72916f8_434x662.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hedp!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd9c13681-9bd9-4277-8ff5-5bd7a72916f8_434x662.png 424w, 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For one thing, the two older businessmen Zac had been with that night turned out to be not friends and not forthcoming business associates (as Zac may have assumed), but instead a bankrupt businessman and a notorious gangster, respectively. According to Keefe&#8217;s investigation, these two men had bought into Zac&#8217;s alter ego in hopes of doing business with him. And Zac, for his part, seemed to have bought into their created personas, too. Keefe&#8217;s reporting suggests that it all fell apart just hours before Zac&#8217;s death. </p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3>The Child We Thought We Knew So Well</h3><p>The Brettlers were parents who loved their son yet had cavernous gaps in awareness of how he was negotiating his everyday life. <strong>But rather than pointing to parental negligence, Keefe&#8217;s reporting points to something more universal: those we love have inner worlds we are simply not privy to.</strong> </p><p>Many parents know the ache of discovering how much they didn&#8217;t know about their children. Otto Frank, the father of Anne Frank, discovered her diary written during their years in hiding after she died in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. Upon his reading, he described discovering &#8220;quite a different Anne than I had known as my daughter.&#8221;<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a> The father and daughter had always been close, and then they had lived in extremely close quarters, sharing walls, meals, and fear. And yet, she had been, in some essential way, unknowable to him. </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png" width="344" height="486.3448275862069" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:574,&quot;width&quot;:406,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:344,&quot;bytes&quot;:399900,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/197515734?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!fEQR!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbb77fcd3-7db3-4e90-b95a-6fe1c94d83be_406x574.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>The tragedy of these stories isn't only what happened to these children. It's also the particular grief of discovering how much was not known about someone so beloved. </p><p>Which leaves us with an unsettling but also generative question: <em>what don't we know yet about the people still here?</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><h3>I Never Knew You Felt That Way&#8230;</h3><p>That unsettling yet generative question shows up in living relationships, too. <em>I never knew you felt that way </em>is a sentence often uttered in couples therapy. It&#8217;s often said without malice, but rather with genuine bewilderment. <a href="https://www.annualreviews.org/docserver/fulltext/psych/76/1/annurev-psych-011624-024416.pdf?expires=1778423843&amp;id=id&amp;accname=guest&amp;checksum=110640FF3E6DD15832B0E29922F69C35">Research consistently shows</a> that people think they know more about others than they actually do (no, you are not the exception &#128521;).</p><p>Two weeks ago, I shared a <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/on-raising-the-child-you-wish-youd">piece of my conversation</a> with bestselling author Lindsay Gibson about her new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/03qQxifN">How to Raise an Emotionally Mature Child</a></em>  (out today! <strong>Paid subscribers, scroll to the bottom and enter to win a copy</strong>)<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-4" href="#footnote-4" target="_self">4</a>. Beneath the practical advice is a powerful insight: we know our children less well than we assume we do. And we often forget that they have an inner life that we can&#8217;t know but that is worth wondering about. </p><p>Gibson put it this way:</p><blockquote><p>&#8202;If you conceptualize your child as having an inner world, it makes you stop and think for a minute when you're about to do or say something because it reminds you that there is stuff going on inside them, just like it is with you.</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!qhW8!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1e9746c9-59bd-4538-80e3-b189fdcc1196_430x638.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This wisdom of wondering about others&#8217; inner lives applies just as much to a spouse of twenty years as to a ten-year-old. Most of the time, we think we already know&#8212;in fact, our brains are programmed to be overconfident.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-5" href="#footnote-5" target="_self">5</a> Our minds fill in the blanks with assumptions. and then we relate to the person we've constructed rather than the person actually in front of us. </p><p>Marital researcher John Gottman calls this the "<a href="https://www.gottman.com/blog/build-love-maps/">love map</a>"&#8212;our internal charting of a partner's inner world. And those maps have a tremendous upside: we travel the relational terrain during the course of our relationship, learning other&#8217;s likes and dislikes, habits, hopes, and values. That information helps us create inside jokes and shared history, not to mention an ability to anticipate.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/what-dont-we-know-about-the-people?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><p>But there&#8217;s a danger, too. We can assume we&#8217;ve mapped all territory worth exploring. We can assume that others&#8217; inner worlds are static. Usually, however, there is always much more to know. And the territory keeps changing.</p><p><em>If you&#8217;ve been on the fence about upgrading, I&#8217;m offering <strong>80% off an annual subscription</strong> for a limited time (expires next week. That&#8217;s $10 for a full year. Slightly more than the cost of a fancy coffee, but definitely less than whatever camp deposit you just forgot to pay.]</em></p><p style="text-align: center;"><strong><a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/137aefe1">Maycember Discount ($10/yr)</a></strong></p><h3><strong>Your Map Needs Regular Updates</strong></h3>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Love in the Time of Maycember]]></title><description><![CDATA[Virtual dates, surprise jealousy science, and the case for slowing the hell down.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/love-in-the-time-of-maycember</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/love-in-the-time-of-maycember</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2026 10:03:31 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0df92d7d-edfc-48ce-9fcf-3b71c04b8171_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Riffers,</p><p>Have you, too, been feeling those Maycember vibes?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> The vibes that the days are careening past so quickly that you&#8217;re shocked to discover that everyone has signed their kids up for summer camp while you&#8217;re still in winter mode?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>Well, if your idea of re-centering involves peer-reviewed studies about dating and jealousy rather than, say, gettin&#8230;</p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[On Raising the Child You Wish You'd Been]]></title><description><![CDATA[The author of Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents is back, with a book about raising the next generation.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/on-raising-the-child-you-wish-youd</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/on-raising-the-child-you-wish-youd</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2026 09:31:01 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IjQw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef4f906e-21bc-48e6-9d5f-ae11c9060061_1650x2475.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your childhood experiences have led you to therapy, or to doom-scrolling psychology content, you&#8217;ve probably heard of Lindsay Gibson.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> Her bestselling book <em><a href="https://a.co/d/04nOrM3d">Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents</a></em> is one of those rare reads that reorients how people understand their childhoods, and to who they want to be as adults. I recommend it often to clients, and almost universally, they come back saying it helped them to transform how they see themselves and the difficult relationship with their parent.</p><p>Which raises an obvious question: <strong>okay, but how do we </strong><em><strong>raise</strong></em><strong> emotionally mature children in the first place?</strong> That question can feel especially urgent for people who grew up without great models, who are parenting largely by trying not to repeat what was done to them, which turns out to be a pretty incomplete blueprint.</p><p>Lindsay&#8217;s new book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/0eH0eE6Y">How to Raise an Emotionally Mature Child</a></em> (out May 19th!), is the most comprehensive answer to that question, among many of our thorniest parenting questions, I&#8217;ve come across in years. And this book is most fundamentally a book about <em>relationships. </em>Because, as it turns out, the best thing we can do as parents is learn how to actually connect with our child in a way that helps them grow (and helps us remain as loving as possible through the teen years!<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a>). </p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IjQw!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fef4f906e-21bc-48e6-9d5f-ae11c9060061_1650x2475.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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But first, a sneak peek for <em>Relational Riffs </em>readers. </p><p><em>As a thank-you to paid subscribers, we&#8217;re giving away a copy of Lindsay&#8217;s new book. Scroll to the bottom of this newsletter to enter. All others, you can pre-order your copy anytime!</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://a.co/d/0bndzOcS&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Order Your Copy!&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://a.co/d/0bndzOcS"><span>Order Your Copy!</span></a></p><p><em>(Full disclosure: I should admit that I am an over-the-top Lindsay fan. I love her writing, and after I first had her on my podcast, she mailed me a copy of Carl Rogers, unprompted, proving to me that some of the <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/bonding-through-books">best relationships start with good books</a>.</em><a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a><em> Our friendship has resulted in many thought-provoking conversations, and one of my favorite Relational Riffs Q&amp;A&#8217;s on <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/how-to-avoid-estrangement">how not to become estranged from difficult people</a>.)</em></p><p>I'll stop gushing now, or this intro will become longer than the Q&amp;A&#8230;</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><div><hr></div><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> I recently did <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/thats-what-she-disclosed">a Q&amp;A</a> with another lovely author, Harvard professor and psychologist <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Leslie John&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:101691961,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/038350d5-e635-4960-93e1-5b254ef0aefe_799x799.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;db05edb5-c108-42eb-85f5-818543b2fcfe&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span> about her wonderful book, <em><a href="https://a.co/d/02eqM7f8">Revealing: The Underrated Power of Oversharing</a>. </em>Leslie&#8217;s book delves into the benefits of sharing more than we think we should&#8212;sharing our authentic selves, and our own internal experience. </p><p><em>[Anyone want to &#8216;fess up on oversharing experiments? I often try to do it when I podcast&#8230; and then edit out what I overshared. Can that count as my overshare for the day?]</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/on-raising-the-child-you-wish-youd/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/on-raising-the-child-you-wish-youd/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><p>But the balance in parenting, perhaps very similar to that of the therapeutic relationship, is not one-to-one as it might be in other relationships. And that creates this tension: On the one hand, we want to develop authentic relationships with our kids and share our own struggles with them. On the other hand, we don&#8217;t want to overburden or parentify them. </p><p>So my question to you is: <strong>what&#8217;s the balance between letting our children see us be human and overburdening them, especially if they&#8217;re highly empathic?</strong></p><p><strong>Lindsay Gibson:</strong> Oh, that&#8217;s such a good question and goes to the idea that <strong>children are just as emotionally sensitive and emotionally vulnerable as we ourselves are.</strong> Especially if a parent is in distress, or is having a hard time, or the parent is feeling insecure, a child can take that in very deeply. Because although children are not fully developed intellectually, they have all the emotional ingredients that we do at a very early age.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg" width="322" height="214.66666666666666" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:300,&quot;width&quot;:450,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:322,&quot;bytes&quot;:95577,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/jpeg&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/195874232?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!DMAC!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F58b28d24-9722-42c9-832e-2a561ec05a11_450x300.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption">@Leah Wallace, 2026</figcaption></figure></div><p>That means that a child is likely to take on the emotional load of whatever it is that you tell them. But they don&#8217;t have the reasoning power or the perspective or the experience to be able to do anything with it. <strong>While we would process it the way adults can, children are more likely to be stuck with feeling bad for their parent and wishing there was something they could do or working hard to try to make things better for their parent in their imagined ways.</strong> </p><p>So, if you&#8217;re telling your child a family story that you might share as part of their history or as part of your history, no harm done. But if you can be alert to whether or not you are leaning on that child emotionally, or you&#8217;re looking to them for that empathic connection to, you&#8217;re looking to them to hold your pain or to resonate with how bad it was for you&#8212;to be the empathic witness to your pain&#8212;that&#8217;s where we really need to be aware and find another place to get that need satisfied.</p><p>You need to have someone give you that kind of empathy for your suffering&#8212;that&#8217;s a legitimate need. But you can get that need met through a therapist, a friend, a partner. It really should not be your child because children take all that in emotionally and they feel very burdened by it. There&#8217;s nothing worse for a child than to see a parent who&#8217;s suffering. And if the parent turns to the child as a confidant or they let all of the emotional intensity out around the child, that&#8217;s overwhelming. </p><p><strong>Children are immature systems that are trying to work on their own self-control and their own emotional integration. They don&#8217;t have the ability to hold a parent&#8217;s emotion like adults do.</strong> Asking them to do that is a form of parentification where the parent is turning to the child as if the child were the parent and the parent were the child looking for comfort.</p><p>In contrast, if the child is looked to as a helper with younger children, for instance, or helping around the house or whatever, that could be very affirming to the child and can lead to increased feelings of competence and efficacy. But it&#8217;s the emotional burdening that really causes the problem.</p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> To that end, what <em>are</em> some ways that we can let kids in on our internal world? Because one thing that you discuss in your book is letting your child know, for instance, how their behavior is affecting you and how you feel about the relationship. </p><p>So this is almost like the reverse of the question because I think to some extent parents might conclude that we shouldn&#8217;t let our child know that their bad behavior has an impact on us. Yet part of parenting involves teaching our kids to be relationally skillful, which also means teaching them to recognize that what we do or don&#8217;t do and how we treat the people who are in close relationship with us matters.</p><p>So, how do you advise parents to give feedback to their kids about the way that they are having an impact in a way that doesn&#8217;t overburden them, but also that offers a learning opportunity?</p><p></p><p><strong>Lindsay Gibson:</strong> When we do that teach relational skills consciously, that&#8217;s a great thing. For instance, we can teach kids that, &#8220;Hey, when you command me, &#8216;Bring me a sandwich,&#8217; it doesn&#8217;t make me feel like making you a sandwich. However, when you say, &#8216;Mom, uh, would it be possible for you to make me a sandwich?&#8217; I might be more inclined to do that.&#8221; </p><p><strong>By explaining that to your child at a teachable moment, everybody learns something.</strong> But what often happens is that the parent gets reactive to a behavior that is demanding or doesn&#8217;t feel good, and then they get defensive. They&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Don&#8217;t talk to me like that,&#8221; and it can become a shaming thing. </p><p>So teaching looks like saying, &#8220;When you ask me without a please or when you tell me to do something, it doesn&#8217;t make me want to do it for you. Can you try a better way to ask me for that?&#8221; That&#8217;s teaching. 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Traitor in the Therapy Room]]></title><description><![CDATA[What a litmus test for couples therapy says about getting stuck in conflict cycles.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2026 09:31:54 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/10e678c1-8786-41bc-b89d-536fe145fb69_1200x1200.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People often ask me whether I can predict what couples will benefit from couples therapy. My honest (and totally unsatisfying) answer: not really.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> I&#8217;ve sat with couples who seemed perfectly positioned for a long and happy life together and watched them end their marriage right in front of me. I&#8217;ve taken on couples I privately thought had no chance and watched them find their way back to each other.</p><p>But something has clarified for me over the years&#8212;not a predictor of success exactly, but a predictor of whether therapy is even the right intervention at the moment. It&#8217;s this: whether you can tolerate someone neutral (that is, your therapist) seeing your partner's humanity, including their pain.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h2><strong>A hardened narrative</strong></h2><p>Research shows that couples wait <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jmft.12479">several years</a> after a significant problem has emerged before seeking treatment. By the time a couple makes it into my office, the narrative each partner holds about what&#8217;s gone wrong in the relationship has likely hardened. When you&#8217;ve been hurting for a long time, it&#8217;s natural to begin to view the person across the room from you not just as frustrating or hurtful but as being, <a href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/30807880/jpsp-att-beh-libre.pdf?1392129988=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DAttributions_and_behavior_in_marital_int.pdf&amp;Expires=1777315751&amp;Signature=HSyGrSZxLIaPbcz4XMMOh9K6jzeXJvVMDEcYd-j8xz2-enCmO9VSH8d-uxVlof7caDd~S8Dli0oZTUAOf9wsnOo6qS-JqimbaqfyPNX~FAJW2ZIrj3DRoic3jSrG74l39oIvGg-Tuld0AL8wZEMfTYWrVvAQLwQutbtoIVfl7Mcxh7CXbAVstHcqYIMsMok3TW~Axft6QHHee4xmd7FsFNFGhfanHBqsNrN~0k-~txVzDNM0pgTz9RWeayBsRqZzQTYPGsMj6Q-8~GjozeSTZhLQdBRM0LFoQhIDLr3-h1h~X7lf8hnEEMO5oHuWcm4SFdpL96LimnLV3NzzxzN6bA__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA">in some fundamental way, </a><em><a href="https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/30807880/jpsp-att-beh-libre.pdf?1392129988=&amp;response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DAttributions_and_behavior_in_marital_int.pdf&amp;Expires=1777315751&amp;Signature=HSyGrSZxLIaPbcz4XMMOh9K6jzeXJvVMDEcYd-j8xz2-enCmO9VSH8d-uxVlof7caDd~S8Dli0oZTUAOf9wsnOo6qS-JqimbaqfyPNX~FAJW2ZIrj3DRoic3jSrG74l39oIvGg-Tuld0AL8wZEMfTYWrVvAQLwQutbtoIVfl7Mcxh7CXbAVstHcqYIMsMok3TW~Axft6QHHee4xmd7FsFNFGhfanHBqsNrN~0k-~txVzDNM0pgTz9RWeayBsRqZzQTYPGsMj6Q-8~GjozeSTZhLQdBRM0LFoQhIDLr3-h1h~X7lf8hnEEMO5oHuWcm4SFdpL96LimnLV3NzzxzN6bA__&amp;Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA">the problem</a></em>.</p><p>This is understandable. People rarely seek couples therapy when things are going well. They seek therapy after accumulated months or years of unmet needs, of hurts compounding, and of calcifying beliefs that try to make sense of all that pain. After extended periods of unhappiness, people often arrive at stories about what happened that cast their partner in an unflattering light (just as their partner&#8217;s story does to them). </p><p>A safe assumption I&#8217;ve developed over many years of this work is that both people&#8217;s stories emerge from trying to <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2026/02/15/four-horsemen-relationship-trouble/">make sense of genuine hurt</a>, and worry that they are not ever going to be safe from further harm. This means the early work of couples therapy is almost always about acknowledging the pain both partners are carrying&#8212;sometimes naming that the hurt has come directly at the hands of the other. </p><p>This acknowledgement doesn't mean excusing bad behavior. But<strong> in order to treat a relationship, a therapist has to be able to see past the bad behavior to the hurt driving it.</strong> <strong>And that can be excruciating to witness when you feel that seeing their humanity is undeserved, and when it feels like it leaves you vulnerable to being hurt again. </strong></p><p><em>[Have you ever had the experience of feeling betrayed by someone showing compassion for another party that hurt you?]</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p><h2><strong>When neutrality reads as betrayal</strong></h2><p>Social psychologist <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Kurt Gray&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:36071943,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8c357336-9e90-47a3-bdfb-f9b8b42c0776_4200x4200.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;3f8db88c-b5b4-437b-8c69-48dc5b22118a&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>&#8217;s research on <a href="https://www.academia.edu/download/3455046/Wegner__2009__Moral_Typecasting.pdf">moral typecasting</a> shows that when we cast people into villain or victim roles, we often assume victims feel pain but lack agency, while villains have agency but do not feel pain. The categories can feel mutually exclusive: if my partner is the one who wronged me, then I am the one who hurts. And the inherent assumption is, <em>we can't both be hurting.</em></p><p>This typecasting feels protective. When someone has betrayed or repeatedly hurt us, stripping ourselves of the obligation to perceive their capacity for suffering <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364661321003119">makes it easier to protect ourselves</a>. <strong>It's harder to feel guilty about the cold shoulder, the contempt, or the disparaging comments we make about them to friends if the person on the receiving end isn't fully human to us.</strong></p><p>But it creates a specific problem in the therapy room. If your partner is a villain incapable of suffering, then a therapist who reflects their pain back isn't doing her job. They&#8217;ve been duped.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> They&#8217;re taking sides. And you might conclude: <em>I'm not safe in this therapy.</em></p><p>A therapist&#8217;s ability to see decency in both people, for some partners, isn't experienced as a clinical skill. It's experienced as a dangerous betrayal.</p><h3>When Compassion for the Enemy Feels like a Threat</h3><p>Social psychologists have documented this dynamic well beyond the therapy room. Research on intergroup conflict shows that when members of an ingroup extend empathy toward an outgroup, others in the ingroup tend to perceive that empathy <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/21647259.2024.2351716">not as generosity but as disloyalty</a>. You haven&#8217;t just understood the enemy. You&#8217;ve joined them. You are not to be trusted.</p><p>The peace-building literature puts the starkest face on this. When a former Israeli Defense Force major from a Holocaust-surviving family began working publicly for reconciliation with ex-Palestinian fighters, a family friend <a href="https://academic.oup.com/ijtj/article-abstract/16/2/204/6545297">told his parents</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>&#8220;I think they should put them against the wall and shoot all of them, all these traitors.&#8221;</em></p></blockquote><p>The social pressure to maintain the other side as villains, incapable of suffering, is that powerful. The therapy room is a smaller stage for the same dynamic.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h2><strong>What It Costs Us</strong></h2><p>The reality is, most of us, at some point, ask others to ally with us by seeing the people who have hurt us as &#8220;bad.&#8221; We want our best friend to be outraged on our behalf. We want our family to see our ex the way we see them. We feel safer with those who align with our view of what is threatening.</p><p>In contrast, a measured response like <em>I can see why you&#8217;re upset, and I also wonder if there&#8217;s another way to look at it</em>  can feel like evidence that this person won't be able to keep us safe. Because they can't, or won't, see the danger. </p><p>When the threat we feel is profound enough, this instinct makes complete sense. But as reasonable as it is to stop perceiving the humanity in someone who has harmed us, it's worth working toward getting it back. Because the costs of not getting there run higher than most of us realize.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><h2><strong>A Litmus Test for Healing Potential</strong></h2><p>Jon Stewart recently gave President Trump public credit for making it easier for veterans to access psychedelic-assisted treatments. That Stewart could find something to applaud in someone he generally opposes &#8212; however grudgingly &#8212; is a small but meaningful sign of the kind of openness that journalist Amanda Ripley describes in her book <em><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/high-conflict-why-we-get-trapped-and-how-we-get-out-amanda-ripley/1aa1a2637891ca8d?ean=9781982128579&amp;next=t&amp;next=t&amp;affiliate=30734">High Conflict</a></em>.</p><p><em>[Feelings about Stewart giving credit to Trump? Share here!]</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room/comments&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Leave a comment&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-traitor-in-the-therapy-room/comments"><span>Leave a comment</span></a></p>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Nostalgia: The Social Snack That Isn't ]]></title><description><![CDATA[A love letter to nostalgia.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-social-snack-that-isnt</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/the-social-snack-that-isnt</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2026 09:31:00 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W7i4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F1993744d-4e6a-4a84-8c83-baac3445413b_1600x900.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Riffers,</p><p>Let me take you on a journey to the past, because that&#8217;s what I did this weekend when I attended a college reunion and saw faces that I haven&#8217;t seen in, well, let&#8217;s just say it&#8217;s been a while. It brought up all the feels,<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> particularly the feeling of nostalgia.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and suppo&#8230;</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>
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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Me, You, and Mental Illness]]></title><description><![CDATA[When one partner struggles with mental health, the other person's pain often goes unnamed (and a reminder for tomorrow's book club!)]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/me-you-and-mental-illness</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/me-you-and-mental-illness</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 10:31:26 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b9dc43ff-42e0-422d-a569-1ad164a4f9a2_1600x900.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Riffers,</p><p>As a clinical psychologist specializing in relationships, I treat a lot of couples where one person is carrying a significant mental health diagnosis&#8212;major depression, OCD, bipolar disorder, and so on. </p><p>There&#8217;s simply no question that mental health problems take a toll on relationships. When someone you love is depressed, you might worry about their safety while also watching them struggle to eat, sleep, or leave the bed. When someone you love is consumed by obsessions and compulsions, the rituals and fears that govern their days leave little room for connection or ease. And in both cases, the relationship itself can buckle under the weight. Partners might find themselves in fights over whose needs come first; whether it&#8217;s fair to plan a trip when one person is too scared or too down to imagine it (or fair not to); whether the supporting partner is being compassionate enough or the struggling partner is being aware enough of anyone else. There are no clean answers to any of these questions.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> That's part of what makes it so hard.</p><p>Having a mental health disorder is no cake walk. To put it mildly. But too often, we forget about what&#8217;s going on for the other person.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Relational Riffs is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><h3>When Illness Moves In</h3><p>In relationships where one partner has a significant mental health problem, the illness often functions like a third person in the relationship. And frequently, it&#8217;s the loudest one. Mental illness demands to shape the schedule, dominate the emotional bandwidth, and set the terms for what can and can&#8217;t be discussed. The person with the diagnosis didn't ask for any of this. But its presence is enormous, and it crowds out a lot.</p><p>What often follows is that all the focus&#8212;clinical, social, and relational&#8212;goes to the person who is struggling with the illness. Partners often don&#8217;t object because they tap into an implicit calculus that goes something like: <em>Of course they need all the resources, they&#8217;re barely surviving. How can I ask them to pay attention to me when they&#8217;re in such pain? How can I ask for affection when they look so miserable?</em></p><p>There&#8217;s something logical about that calculus. And something deeply problematic about it.</p><h3>A Cost We Need to Talk About More</h3><p>Mental health struggles have a narrowing effect. They pull people inward, making them <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2043808718779431">less flexible</a> and less available to the ins and outs of daily relational life. That means the partner without the illness is often left doing the lion&#8217;s share of the relationally-oriented emotional labor, usually without much acknowledgment. This isn&#8217;t because the person who is struggling with mental illness is bad in any way. It&#8217;s simply one of the quieter costs of mental illness.</p><p>Over time, this can create a particular kind of distance. The partner carrying the load may feel invisible, not because their loved one doesn't care, but because the illness takes up so much room. Even someone with genuine compassion and love for a struggling partner can eventually feel the weight of their own unmet needs. </p><p>If you're the one who is struggling, this newsletter isn't about blame. You didn't choose this, and the guilt you may already carry about its impact on your relationship is probably more than enough.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a> This is about making sure the people who love you don't disappear in the process of loving you, which, ultimately, is better for everyone, including you.</p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/me-you-and-mental-illness?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/me-you-and-mental-illness?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p><h3>The Case for Treating the Relationship</h3><p>The relationship between mental health and relationship quality is often <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/da.20618">bidirectional</a>. Poor relationships exacerbate mental health problems. Mental health problems erode relationship quality. How we feel as individuals shapes how we show up in our relationships, and how we feel inside our relationships has an enormous impact on how we feel individually. </p><p>Some researchers have even begun describing mental illness in couples as a "<a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9721020/">we-disease</a>," something that belongs to the relationship rather than to one person alone. And that means we can begin to view the relationship itself as a legitimate treatment target. That is a hopeful thing because we can see that the relationship is not just a casualty of the illness, but a potential site of healing. </p><p>The research bears the power of this reframe out. Couples therapy for mental health problems is <a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/famp.12227">well-supported by evidence</a>, with studies suggesting it works at least as well as individual therapy for a range of mental health disorders. It works not only because it teaches partners how they can reduce conflict or improve connection (though it does those things too), but because it makes room for the partner. Their pain gets named. Their needs get addressed. The relationship stops being just the context for someone else&#8217;s suffering, and starts being a thing worth tending to in its own right.</p><p>We can think of this as a &#8220;three problems, one room&#8221; opportunity. When we bring in two people and a mental illness, that might be the most efficient therapy around.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><h3>You Count, Too</h3><p>If you're the person holding things together while someone you love is falling apart: your experience matters. You are not just support staff. The relationship you're in, what it costs you, what it means to you, deserves attention. </p><p><em><strong>If you found this useful, like it, share it, or forward it to someone who is either (a) loving someone through a hard time or (b) being loved through one. 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   ]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[That's What She Disclosed]]></title><description><![CDATA[A Harvard professor walked so Michael Scott could run.]]></description><link>https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/thats-what-she-disclosed</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/thats-what-she-disclosed</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Yael Schonbrun]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2026 09:31:20 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mcqg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6a746fc-fb58-4f8f-8025-0ee31d96f459_1838x2775.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Riffers,</p><p>Anyone here a fan of <em>The Office? </em>All three of my children have joined the obsession.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a> My youngest begs to watch it every night, then immediately moans that Michael Scott makes him uncomfortable. We&#8217;re all right there with you, kiddo.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif" width="480" height="270" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:270,&quot;width&quot;:480,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:2672538,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/gif&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/192133476?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!UoaW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F86ca396a-ccfa-407e-a664-71a539736315_480x270.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw" fetchpriority="high"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p> A whole host of reasons explain the cringe that is Michael Scott: the racism, the misogyny, the total inability to read a room. But there&#8217;s also this: he&#8217;s got zero filter and his disclosures are almost entirely self-serving. He shares in order to be seen, validated, and loved. And that, it turns out, is exactly what makes oversharing go wrong&#8212;not the volume, but the motive. </p><p>Which brings me to something I'd like to do right now, in full awareness of my own Michael Scott energy: announce that my book, <em><strong>Why Don't You Understand Me?&#8212;The Surprising Science of Connecting in a World of Missed Signals</strong></em>, hits shelves on October 27th and is available for pre-order everywhere books are pre-ordered. (<a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/why-don-t-you-understand-me-the-surprising-science-behind-connecting-in-a-world-of-missed-signals-yael-schonbrun/154b8fac83fdeb6b?ean=9781645023579&amp;next=t">Bookshop</a>, <a href="https://a.co/d/0ewFyqRM">Amazon</a>, B<a href="https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/why-dont-you-understand-me-yael-schonbrun/1149640247?ean=9781645023579">arnes &amp; Noble</a>, and anywhere else you can pre-order. Pick one, pick all, it&#8217;s up to you. Just know my very big feelings will be on the other side of your decision &#129315;.)</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif" width="482" height="271.125" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/f08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:360,&quot;width&quot;:640,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:482,&quot;bytes&quot;:548636,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/gif&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://relationalriffs.substack.com/i/192133476?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!MHLs!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff08cef2b-9712-4c54-a615-8504d7995da7_640x360.gif 1456w" sizes="100vw"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Is this a selfish overshare? Clinically speaking, yes. But I'm going to trust that you'll forgive me, because what follows is pretty awesome: a Q&amp;A about oversharing. </p><p>How much to reveal, from one-on-one conversation to a newsletter, is a genuinely complex question. Thankfully, <a href="https://www.lesliekjohn.com/">Leslie John</a> has spent years studying it so the rest of us don't have to wing it entirely.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Ka8V!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe20d4085-a2b6-4fa6-b10d-febb4db6a4ff_2932x4398.jpeg" width="319" height="478.5" 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class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg aria-hidden="true" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Leslie is a professor of psychology at Harvard Business School and the author of a new book with the perfect title: <em><a href="https://a.co/d/096VHDbo">Revealing: The Underrated Power of Oversharing</a></em>. She's also, I'll note, one of the most relatable humans I've encountered. That tracks given that she&#8217;s spent years studying this process that makes people feel close.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-2" href="#footnote-2" target="_self">2</a></p><p>I had the chance to ask her some questions I've been sitting with as a couples therapist, where I spend my time on the receiving end of other people's most intimate disclosures while revealing almost nothing in return.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!mcqg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe6a746fc-fb58-4f8f-8025-0ee31d96f459_1838x2775.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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Or you can buy your own (plus one for that person you&#8217;re wishing would reveal a bit more&#8230; or less?).</strong></em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://a.co/d/096VHDbo&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Buy Revealing&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://a.co/d/096VHDbo"><span>Buy Revealing</span></a></p><div><hr></div><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> Leslie, a lot of what you write about in <em><a href="https://a.co/d/096VHDbo">Revealing</a> </em>highlights how reciprocity of disclosure leads to greater intimacy and connection. As a couple&#8217;s therapist, I sit in asymmetric disclosure all day. Clients reveal everything about their sex lives and their fights and the mean things that they&#8217;ve said. I, in turn, reveal very little. I&#8217;m wondering what you think about how much that asymmetry costs in terms of genuine connection, or whether the therapeutic frame changes the equation entirely. </p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> That&#8217;s such an interesting question. So, I&#8217;ve had therapists that share absolutely nothing about themselves and then some that share a bit. I really like the sharing a bit. I think it&#8217;s really helpful. But the normal amount of sharing, like with a friend, would be weird. And, you know, if I&#8217;m honest, a couple of moments where I&#8217;m like, that feels a little bit more than what you should be sharing with me&#8212;just a little bit more. </p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> That's my feeling too. Carl Rogers wrote about the importance of authenticity in the therapy room. Most clients want to feel like their therapist is a real person, not a two-dimensional reflecting surface. But there&#8217;s certainly a level that can go too far.</p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> So, as a therapist, how do you think about what to share with your clients, and when and how?<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-3" href="#footnote-3" target="_self">3</a></p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> I always think about it as a question of &#8220;what is the goal with the share?&#8221; In therapy, the primary goal is to help the client. So, if a share fosters connection, normalizes something the client is experiencing, or offers an example of a skill while keeping the focus mostly on the client(s), I think that can work well.</p><p>But, of course, even with more sharing than an average, non-disclosing therapist, the revealing will be asymmetric. This reminds me of <span class="mention-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;name&quot;:&quot;Alison Fragale&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:72084080,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;user&quot;,&quot;url&quot;:null,&quot;photo_url&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d5645c12-3a4f-4811-a98c-c070bb441cb9_2741x3426.jpeg&quot;,&quot;uuid&quot;:&quot;d382d16a-c477-439d-828c-db719ccb0444&quot;}" data-component-name="MentionToDOM"></span>&#8217;s research showing that sometimes there&#8217;s a dominant person and a more submissive person, and that can actually be quite complimentary, rather than a problem. So, in parallel with that idea, do you think there are relationships where asymmetric disclosure can work well because of the differences in how people show up to relationships?</p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> Oh, 1000%. The complementarities can be beautiful. For instance, I am married to someone who leans more into undersharing. We&#8217;re complimentary because I&#8217;m a little bit of an oversharer.</p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> You&#8217;re oversharing, by the way, is one of my favorite features of your book. You show up so three-dimensionally, and it makes the book such a fun read.</p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> Thank you, that means so much. I was determined to write a non-boring, non-fiction book, even if at my own expense!</p><p>So, on the asymmetry front, <strong>when we think of symmetrical sharing or reciprocity, it doesn&#8217;t always need to be equal.</strong> Because, to your point, there are different traits, personality traits, needs, and desires for sharing. For instance, I definitely share more than some of my best friends do. But when they tell me something, it feels more special because the person who can&#8217;t be vulnerable just told me this thing. Like, we&#8217;re besties for life. It took a lot of me sharing all of my crazy mistakes for them to give me one nugget, but it was worth it.</p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> Writing, too, is inherently asymmetric in the sharing. Was that something you thought a lot about during the process of writing this book? </p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> I ruminated so much about this! It&#8217;s funny, I&#8217;ve actually had several colleagues ask, &#8220;How are you feeling after sharing so much? Are you having a disclosure hangover?&#8221; A colleague said that just yesterday. And I responded, &#8220;You know what? I&#8217;ve been writing this book for five years. I have been through these rumination cycles of wondering what is TMI? And how can you write a book about revealing and not reveal?&#8221;</p><p>So, sure, there may be disclosure hangovers to come as more of my family members read the book. But when I wrote it, I had so many conversations with the really important people in my life about whom I was sharing pieces of our relationships. So it forced me to be very meta. It prompted me to recognize secrets I was keeping that I literally didn&#8217;t realize I was keeping until I was writing the book. Things that had prompted me to actually practice the science by talking to my mom about this secret, and then talk to her about whether we should share this.</p><p>And yes, the book is completely asymmetric. Reading a book is an intimate experience with the author, right? And so it felt right to have that level of sharing. But it&#8217;s interesting because when I do podcasts or newsletters, it&#8217;s a different type of thing. After all, you don&#8217;t have the intimate relationship with the audience that you do with a reader-writer situation. So I&#8217;m finding that navigating the world of what to share on a podcast or newsletter versus not is an interesting one that I&#8217;m wrestling with still.</p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> What we&#8217;re talking about in terms of where on the scale of symmetry to asymmetry you are seems to come back to the context of the relationship that you&#8217;re in and what the goals are.</p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> Yes, completely. What I&#8217;ve observed in life, but also seen in research, is that the asymmetries&#8212;the not feeling heard or oversharing&#8212;on the dyad level, that&#8217;s most problematic at the very beginning of friendships and relationships. That&#8217;s where it&#8217;s most salient if there&#8217;s an imbalance. </p><p>But over time, it would be weird if, with my husband, we had this feeling of needing to be tit for tat on sharing, right? <strong>Over time, it&#8217;s almost the case that the less symmetry on a day-to-day level reflects more closeness because it&#8217;s need-based as opposed to what happens in the beginning of relationships.</strong> At the beginning of relationships, there does need to be some back and forth that feels a little bit more equal.</p><p><strong>Yael Schonbrun:</strong> That reminds me a lot of the <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0146167293196003">research on transactional versus communal relationships</a>. (I discussed this research in a <a href="https://relationalriffs.substack.com/p/can-understanding-people-get-you">previous newsletter</a>).</p><p><strong>Leslie John:</strong> Yes, and to your earlier point, <strong>the goal of the relationship is so important</strong>, right? Sometimes, an implicit assumption is that we want to be closer. But that&#8217;s not always the goal. For instance, at work, my goal is not always to be a close colleague with the person. And so having that kind of boundary of not sharing something with someone with whom you want to have a more professional relationship is important too.</p><p>Holding back may not come naturally to me, but at work, I don&#8217;t want to share all of my woes about wiping poopy-bums at home. In fact, sharing can be undermining. 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